{"id":148137,"date":"2025-07-09T06:00:00","date_gmt":"2025-07-09T13:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/acousticguitar.com\/?p=148137"},"modified":"2025-07-09T08:25:13","modified_gmt":"2025-07-09T15:25:13","slug":"christian-lee-hutson-is-writing-songs-like-a-bird-on-rollercoaster","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/acousticguitar.com\/christian-lee-hutson-is-writing-songs-like-a-bird-on-rollercoaster\/","title":{"rendered":"Christian Lee Hutson Is Writing Songs Like a Bird on Rollercoaster\u00a0"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>There is no mistaking a <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/christianleehutson.com\">Christian Lee Hutson<\/a><\/strong> song. With a hushed and tender voice, he recites sincere and sardonic poetry over masterful guitar parts. A stereotypical singer-songwriter summons the deepest, darkest, most personal truths; Hutson lends his compassionate ear and tells the stories of those who would never dream of sharing them. Hutson\u2019s songs feel intimate, an inside joke with no punch line. Is this a mundane moment or life\u2019s greatest tragedy? Add in some melodic fingerpicking that sounds effortless, but isn\u2019t (just look up the countless guitarists on YouTube struggling unsuccessfully to emulate his style). Hutson gives us more than a story. And that \u201cbird on a rollercoaster\u201d stuff from the headline? We\u2019ll get there.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I caught up with Hutson by phone around the release of <em><a href=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/44PVLyC\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Paradise Pop. 10 (Deluxe)<\/a><\/em>\u2014which features fresh, intimate takes on songs from his catalog\u2014to talk about melody, the stripped-down tracks, and his \u201cmagical\u201d Martin 00-18V.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Do you have a typical songwriting arc?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I usually start with a melody that pops into my head. These days I have melodies happening while I\u2019m asleep, in my dreams. When there\u2019s one that\u2019s really strong, it will wake me up. Then I\u2019ll record myself singing that melody, and slowly figure out what chord changes I want to put over it. I think about things a lot in terms of bass and melody. My thumb will try and find a nice bass line, and my other fingers find the melody.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>What was the first fingerstyle guitar stuff you learned?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I started learning fingerstyle with the classic folk stuff: \u201cFreight Train,\u201d and \u201cDon\u2019t think Twice, It\u2019s Alright.\u201d I meet young guitarists and I\u2019m comforted to learn they are still learning these tunes.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Then I got really into John Prine and Elliot Smith, the latter of which showed me that you could do stuff that wasn\u2019t just I-IV-V. Listening to Elliot Smith showed me that there was more music in the guitar than it seems sometimes.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>I saw you play in San Francisco, right after&nbsp;<em>Quitters&nbsp;<\/em>came out, and I was blown away by the guitar parts you were playing. They were so much more involved than on the album.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I wrote and recorded<em>&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/3IiY7NI\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Quitters<\/a><\/em>&nbsp;so fast, in something like 10 days. So when we started the songs night after night, I kept finding new fun little things circus tricks to do on guitar.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>I remember thinking \u201cit\u2019s like he is playing the piano!\u201d<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I try to think about the guitar like a piano. I\u2019m not a very good piano player, but five or so years ago I was getting all this piano sheet music by Harold Arlen and Randy Newman. I\u2019d find pieces with interesting voice leading and try to learn them. I\u2019d sit at the piano and figure out what was happening, and how much of it I could do on the guitar.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>How do you approach voice leading?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I picture it like there\u2019s a bird; the music, the chord changes and the bass movement, is a big bird, and on top of the bird is a another, smaller bird singing the melody. The melody sits on top of the music, or it should, and at times it will drag or shift, or duck beneath the wings. Sometimes you have to move the melody on guitar because you run out of space [laughs].&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>On the deluxe edition of <em>Paradise Pop. 10<\/em> these big songs are getting pared down to just guitar and fiddle. Does changing the instrumentation change the nature of the songs?&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>It probably does! But I\u2019m less aware of it. One of the main reasons to have these versions on the deluxe version was just that I like showing how the songs started. I wanted to share versions that sounded like the songs when I was originally writing them. I had finished touring the album; it was just me on acoustic guitar and my friend Odessa [Jorgenson] on fiddle. It\u2019s such a nice delivery system of a song.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-4-3 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe title=\"Christian Lee Hutson - &quot;After Hours (Deluxe)&quot;\" width=\"1290\" height=\"968\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/-VlhO7F3EIA?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>I think I read a quote from you about lyrics being the hardest part of the song, that they are the last piece of the puzzle. Is that right?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Lyrics feel like a very separate process. I get to a point where the music exists and the lyrics exist. Then I start picking out of this invisible bag of lyrics to see what fits with the music.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>When I\u2019m writing with other people, a common problem that will arise is that you find a nice lyric, but it doesn\u2019t sound like how anyone would say anything. So you find something you\u2019d&nbsp;<em>want<\/em>&nbsp;to say, figure out how you&nbsp;<em>would<\/em>&nbsp;say it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>But then that lyric doesn\u2019t always work in the song. If the melody is like a rollercoaster, sometimes the lyrics go off the rails when you send it down the track. So you rewrite the lyric in a way that gives the smoothest ride.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Sometimes people talk about songwriters being literary, and what they mean is that they&#8217;re very verbose or use a lot of florid language. On the other hand, you write in the common vernacular but your songs seem informed by literature.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I read a lot of poetry and fiction, I used to be allergic to older, pastoral writing. Recently I\u2019ve been finding myself looking back at that and challenging myself to find what still connects for me. Which can lead to new ways of exploring old ideas.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Have you read <em>A Swim in a Pond in the Rain<\/em> [George Saunders\u2019 book exploring classic Russian literature and how people share and understand stories]?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I did, yeah. I love that book. George Saunders is one of my favorites.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>I was thinking about his stories while listening to the new record. I sense a common approach in storytelling; a way of approaching characters that feels empathetic and grounded.&nbsp;<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I heard Saunders on an episode of the <em>Book Exploder<\/em> podcast. Listening to him talk about his characters, it was similar to how I think about mine. He writes with a lot of kindness and understanding about people who are sometimes going through really ugly moments in their life. I am really interested in hope. And I think that we are maybe similar in that way.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Do you try to inhabit the subjects of the songs you write? Do you do method writing?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Maybe in my head a little bit. With method acting it\u2019s often like, \u201cI\u2019m playing a guy with insomnia, I\u2019m gonna force myself not to sleep\u2026\u201d I don\u2019t do things in that way. Writing songs is torturous enough at times, without having to live them. I imagine what something would feel like, and connect that to something that I have felt, or I\u2019ve observed someone else feeling.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>There is a reference to a Sam Shepard play in \u201cAfter Hours\u201d<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>There are a couple artists from that generation that I really admire, Sam Shepard, Kris Kristofferson, They had these versions of masculinity that were real; they weren\u2019t threatening. <em>True West<\/em> [the Shepard play]&nbsp;&nbsp;explores this relationship, two people who are so close, but are just missing each other. That relationship interests me.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>What\u2019s great about people like Sam Shepard is they were willing to look at these difficult, complex feelings and problems. I\u2019m inspired by people who are brave enough to look at a problem, like jealousy or possessiveness, and are willing to write about it in a meaningful way.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Your three big albums [<em>Paradise Pop. 10<\/em>,<em> Quitters<\/em>,<em> Beginners<\/em>] , are they related? Do they share themes?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>There aren\u2019t intentional themes on the albums, but it\u2019s probably more psychologically revealing than I would ever realize. When I\u2019m on tour, playing songs off all three records, I start seeing themes: I\u2019m obsessed with the past, I\u2019m obsessed with time. Somebody once told me I\u2019m obsessed with \u201cdaddies and mommies.\u201d&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>I was going to say \u201ctruth and lies\u201d might be another theme.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Yes! A big theme of my life, and all of our lives. I have an obsession with truth and lies, for sure. I think <em><a href=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/4nJAL4i\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Beginners<\/a><\/em> and <em>Quitters<\/em> were companions because I started working on all the songs for both those records around the same time. And <em>Paradise Pop. 10<\/em>, feels different to me. It was a lot of a really fresh stuff.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" fetchpriority=\"high\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"900\" height=\"675\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/acousticguitar.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/Christian-Lee-Hutson-by-Harrison-Whitford-DSCF2484.jpg?resize=900%2C675&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-148140\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/acousticguitar.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/Christian-Lee-Hutson-by-Harrison-Whitford-DSCF2484.jpg?w=900&amp;ssl=1 900w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/acousticguitar.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/Christian-Lee-Hutson-by-Harrison-Whitford-DSCF2484.jpg?resize=500%2C375&amp;ssl=1 500w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/acousticguitar.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/Christian-Lee-Hutson-by-Harrison-Whitford-DSCF2484.jpg?resize=768%2C576&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/acousticguitar.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/Christian-Lee-Hutson-by-Harrison-Whitford-DSCF2484.jpg?resize=300%2C225&amp;ssl=1 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 900px) 100vw, 900px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>What guitar did you use on the new record?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I have one guitar that I\u2019ve used on almost everything. It\u2019s a 2010 Martin 00-18V. This one is really good, it\u2019s been my magical guitar that I\u2019ve just really bonded with. I take it on tour, I record with it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Can you tell me more about your bond with the guitar?&nbsp;<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>It\u2019s really responsive to me and its sound and tone is so even. I risk sounding weird here, like I\u2019m anthropomorphizing a piece of wood, but it feels like the guitar talks back to me. But the reason I said it\u2019s magical, is well, Delta airlines destroyed it on a flight. Like completely destroyed it. It looked like they took the guitar out of the flight case and jumped on it. It had to be almost completely rebuilt, and it plays&nbsp;<em>exactly<\/em> the same as it did before. I don\u2019t know what it is, but I\u2019ve never played another guitar like it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-4-3 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe title=\"Christian Lee Hutson - &quot;Rubberneckers (Deluxe)&quot; (Full Album Stream)\" width=\"1290\" height=\"968\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/34PAxY2pbSY?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/christianleehutson.com\/tour\">Check Hutson\u2019s tour dates here.<\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The singer-songwriter talks about melody, his \u201cmagical\u201d Martin guitar, and the stripped-down tracks on his latest release, \u2018Paradise Pop. 10 (Deluxe)\u2019<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":148139,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"advanced_seo_description":"The California singer-songwriter talks about melody, his \u201dmagical\u201c Martin guitar, and the stripped-down tracks on his latest release, \u2018Paradise Pop. 10 (Deluxe)\u2019","jetpack_seo_html_title":"","jetpack_seo_noindex":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[1155],"tags":[],"ppma_author":[1542],"class_list":["post-148137","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-guitar-talk"],"blocksy_meta":{"disable_featured_image":"no","styles_descriptor":{"styles":{"desktop":"","tablet":"","mobile":""},"google_fonts":[],"version":6}},"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/acousticguitar.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/MAIN-Christian-Lee-Hutson-by-Michael-Delaney-3.jpg?fit=900%2C708&ssl=1","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"authors":[{"term_id":1542,"user_id":2,"is_guest":0,"slug":"joeystringletter-com","display_name":"Joey Lusterman","avatar_url":"https:\/\/secure.gravatar.com\/avatar\/d62788a8fb3719a625c95a649fc05b0d673d8921c9f2491f0a36cc588ee3c452?s=96&d=mm&r=g","author_category":"","user_url":"","last_name":"Lusterman","first_name":"Joey","job_title":"","description":"Opinionated creative slash beginning guitarist. 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